"She, thankyouverymuch and I wouldn't leave a child alone with any dog of any size, breed or temperament, period, but my opinion regarding dogs and children doesn't mean people didn't do so in the past (and of course, some idiots still do). Yes, not all pit bulls are all savages. Those of us who want pit bulls to disappear will support your truth. I took the time to go to your little website. The nanny dog was a figment of people's imaginations based on pictures, not documents. i have no patience for bullshit at this blog. Lies repeated so often they become truth. I see you didn't address real info about Petey, the little rascals dog. I'll publish it. Also, the description 'Staffordshire bull terrier cross' is frequently a euphemism for a dog such as the American Pit Bull Terrier.RSPCA chief vet Mark Evans said: "Staffies have had a terrible press, but this is not of their own making - in fact they're wonderful dogs. Get your facts right before giving these dogs a bad name. The pit bull owners are kind of hypocritical when they say "ban stupid people, not dogs." And I'm out to. it is always a combination. I always wondered if this was true or not...I've been on both sides. She harkens back to Dickens again, before the Staffordshire Bull Terrier even existed as a distinct breed. I stated what the limits of my research were, I didn't say it was limited. GO AWAY AND GROW UP. We had a pitbull break into our backyard at 2am in order to kill our cat. Guess deep down he wasn't as convinced about Chopper's harmless nature as he wanted to admit. If any man rote about how nice his dog was he would be ridiculed and basically ripped the shit out of, that's why you ain't going to find any literature on nice bull dogs before 1935. go here to read about this myth:http://www.scribd.com/doc/29889367/Manbiter-Discussion or here http://www.scribd.com/doc/31272682/Dogmen-Conversations-About-Man-Biters-and-Man-Eaterspit nutter is defined here: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pit+nutteri have read about pits doing sar but not working as sight dogs. i don't believe that all owners are criminals, illiterate, airhead pit nutters or dog fighters. Proof of Argument: - the term was coined in the 1970's by a staffy breeder. i have seen two.as for your first question - it is idiotic. And in the ring you had a referee, and two handlers(not even the owners).Human aggression is a behavior that is not looked for, even in todays ADBA dogs shows you cannot have a dog that displays human aggression. She is NEVER allowed outside with out me, and very well trained. but if you want to play games, go here http://cravendesires.blogspot.com/re: the nanny dog myth, this is not MY creation. i've never owned one. The progeny was named the bull terrier, the greatest fighting machine, pound for pound, on four legs. Either they realize this and don't acknowledge it or they're to stupid to realize that they are the very victims of a system Hitler created exploited by the pit bull apologia. You only interpret this to be a truth, but have no proof of it being one. The name of the breed was revised effective January 1, 1972 to American Staffordshire Terrier. i assume that you don't understand it or you didn't even read it because you not refuting its content, you only shooting your mouth off. If you don't like that idea, then perhaps you should make sure your dog is under tighter supervision?These problems occur not because the animal is bad, but because they require supervision. The truth of the matter is that pit bull's first function was to fight, and maybe to do the other things; and that's a slight maybe. S70KCS ,you own ONE staffy bull and you think you are an expert. "(good luck educating the american pit nutters)finally, how england populated america and poodles & newfies are in violation of the no off topic commenting policy here but it is always welcome at craven desires. It's the first step to AKC recognition and the club wanted to polish their dog's image. How does that undo all this work? Ban stupid people, not breeds! Instantly. anyways i think you should devote this energy to the inbreeding of dogs.... happens across the country with every breed, cousins and siblings being mated, with and without knowledge. And to visit the urban dictionary. "How is an under-socialized, mishandled, and abused wiggle butt a well cared for dog, exactly? The pit bulls' army is made up of a handful of elite pit bull advocates like the sinister Jane Berkey, Ledy Vankavage, Cydney Cross, Karen Delise, Donna Reynolds, Dawn Capp and Diane Jessup who orchestrate the campaign for thousands of dedicated gullible drones that perform the grunt work; infecting the internet with the rote memorization of fabricated talking points. Just because you make a comparison that shows similar traits does not make the two things being compared the exact same. Sadly, they soon found their bulldogs were not suited to win in the pit. People like you need to word your blogs better, you are one of many idiots giving the Staffordshire Bull Terrier a bad rep, Especially when you place a picture in your article of a dog you call a Staffordshire bull terrier, can you provide proof that this is a Staffie, because I think you may find it is blatantly a Pit Bull. If people think that Staffies have problems, they're looking at the wrong end of the dog lead! Archive searches of British, American and Canadian newspapers going as far back as the 18th century turn up not one single mention of "Nanny Dog" with regards to ANY breed until 1904 when the first stage production of Peter Pan opened featuring a nursemaid dog named Nana. In other words, they were used to care for the children of … Pit Bulls Were Once Known as "Nanny Dogs" 30 September, 2018 Even though the Pit Bull is now commonly considered a potentially dangerous breed, this has not always been the case. If his first hold doesn't suit, he takes another. If that's sarcasm how on earth does your argument make any sense? Not every dog is going to kill or attack. German Shepherds, hound, and other terrier dogs have strong prey drives, why aren't they killing and maiming more people than the American Pit Bull, Staffordshre, and Ambull? oooh being chased by a german shepherd, i am so impressed that you have been able to get on with your life.but on a serious note, i prefer to spend my oodles of time researching pit nutters like you and charles. I've often thought it would be great for a network to add another 'Myth Busters' show, but rather than a program of engineering tests to explore these legends, the second edition of Myth Busting would show the historical back testing needed to debunk revisionist history and contrived accounts, crafted to support false premise and agenda. If any pit fighting dog might have been called England's Nanny Dog, surely it would have been the white Bull Terrier. It seems the pit bull foundation has addressed this blog. "You aren't near many ranches are you? Well, there are a lot of Saint Bernards with kids, were they nanny dogs? Also very good, FOCUS! That wasn't just Aurora but the state of CO. You guys see the bad in this breed but dont spit out the good. :-). We made sure to train her and socialize her well. Pit bulls can be used as nanny dogs, therapy dogs or guard dogs with proper training, she said. You won't find a single citation, quote or reference of any kind to a 19th century, or early 20th century text. Not all owners are crazy or what ever you think. Inherently with out question.I can partially agree with your breeding method theory. The bull terrier had the courage of the bulldog and the jaws and quickness of the white terrier. How do you know that wasn't a fighting dog? And she was gruesomely mauled for no apparent reason. I do more then own dogs, I breed for a specific purpose and standard. @ Cory:"The term 'nanny dog' should not be taken to a literal extreme. Hi, I have been reading all the posts with interest, and I have two questions for everyone:1. They are the minorities of the dog world like blacks/hispanics, given a bad image by negative publicity. Speaking of which, think you will do research on the pit bull holocaust? "I never said anything about Russian Roulette and your argument becomes meaningless if you need to twist others words in order to dispute them. BAD RAP... anti-pit-bull. Read the temperament test. i will most likely publish them. How about you spend time with these dogs and make your own opinion. It is propaganda. of course not. do you really believe that 486 people are killed by horses in the US each year? I also find it interesting that when people talk about dog attacks, they say "a pit bull attacked my dog" unless, of course, it was attacked by say....a golden retriever. It's unfortunate that you spend so much time hating on a dog when you could be doing other things. The Nanny Dog Myth Revealed UPDATE 5/21/13: Two years and nine months after the Nanny Dog Myth Revealed was first published, BAD RAP, a major pit bull advocacy group publicly announced that it will no longer support the Nanny Dog myth because it endangers children. in case it returns, here are few points now that i have had time to re-read the nanny dog blog post, hopefully, it will answer its questions:american pit bull terrier is listed 2 times in this blog.while the staffordshire bull terrier is listed 17 times.also please note the third comment (mine):"the nanny dog myth originated [with] the staffy bull and the american nutters happily adopted it. And now you've proven me right. Obviously many did. I think people in your society fear that being truthful or having breed specific rules would hurt them. Have you ever though about doing a blog on the owners of these dogs that kill people, are they all sleazebags? Second, these Bullies are being killed because of people like you. And who said anyone here was out to kill these dogs? Other breeds? and yes, i agree with you that there are more effective ways than banning to minimize dog attacks, you mentioned most of them here. But you are not. "Cory wouldn't recommend giving a fighting dog to be a child's companion but he thinks its "plausible? LOL. To put this into perspective for I've documented 15 other breeds with that have amassed 77% less attacks than the American Pit Bull, Staffordshire, and their mixes. according to the AKC website:In 1936, they were accepted for registration in the AKC Stud Book as Staffordshire Terriers. the american pit bull terrier, the american staffordshire terrier and the staffordshire bull terrier (not the english staffordshire), and the english bull terrier are all distinct separate breeds but they belong in the same category of gripping dogs. it's all about balance.isabelle, grossman is a moran. did you know The RSPCA want to rebrand the dogs as loving, loyal and friendly....sounds a bit like a nanny dogI am from the UK and you need to get your facts right1 stafforshire pit bull banned under the 1991 Dangerous Dogs Act. I knew you wouldn't have the guts to put it up, even though it was more on-topic than anything you've posted here. Pit bull owners will not become perfect and create a dog utopia where no pit bull is ever able to express their dog-directed aggression.Cory, your logic is a house of cards. In 1971, Walter R. Fletcher wrote an article entitled, "A Breed That Came Up the Hard Way" in which he interviewed William R. Daniels and Mrs. Lilian Rant, President and magazine editor for the Staffordshire Bull Terrier Club of America on the eve of the Staffie Bull's being granted permission to be shown in the American Kennel Club's miscellaneous class. i think you'll like it there. http://andrew-rozsa.blogspot.com/2011/10/are-nanny-dogs-myth.htmlThey do not seem to not want to admit they hold the burden of proof and have not met it.The truth blog is important in removing their linchpin arguments: 1. nanny dogs, 2. Next time I hear a disturbance in the night, i'll bring my axe and put the animal's head on the curb. it is irrelevant to the nanny dog myth. as are all of comments pertaining to what this blog is about. Anyone saying that Pitbulls are good with children, or saying Pitbulls are bad with children are just generalizing. CHILDREN are going to die in BSL cities today because this blog continues to add fuel to the fire. please don't exaggerate that societal change. he offers nothing new to the debate. i don't believe that all pits are killers. The pitbull is like a .50 cal. Ask and ye shall receive! So, if you've got the proof, bring it on. A standard you obviously wouldn't expect out of the breed. I'm a APBT owner, and i AM damn proud of it. Please discuss! every animal has aggression, even people. @ Flametreekennels A breeder breeds for the quality, for you not to be a dog breeder then you must not know.I don't have to be a dog breeder to know what a dog breeder does. That is just one obvious connection.You are just repeating the animal aggression is not human aggression point as a mantra. She is not a mean dog and is very good with kids, i trust her completely. i suspect it varies. and i can't say that i disagree with anything that you have said. With the photo logic, they've resorted to what a carnival owner would do. The nanny dog was a figment of people’s imaginations based on pictures, not documents. Here's to me hoping that you will see the light. It was a woman who had her face torn off by a labrador retriever, not a pit bull. Nobody can ever convince me that all APBTs are killers, or will attack because like i said i've seen both sides. Because pit bulls attack dogs and then the victim's owner will try to intervene and become a victim themselves. well bullseyeview, you almost followed the argument. "Because you didn’t come up with proof on your own? Cross reference what the Media says with the report you will besurprised. :). First any dog is capable of harming anyone, watch the dog whisperer (you may learn something), you rarely see pits acting a fool on there and when you do see pits they are Ceasars favorite dogs(and example he uses to help ppl with their dogs), they were breed to love people because they were fought in the ring. So many dogs of wildly differing appearance and behavior are described as 'pit bulls' that the term loses all meaning. we'll do our best to make your voice famous. cory wrote: "Provide proof for you? Your kind generally claim for breed "perfection" but there are so many breeders who believe "perfection" is preserving the gameness and tenacity of the pit bull. You suggest that pit nutters used to be stupid enough to let their dogs alone with children, but they've wizened up since. There have been over a hundred victims in the past 6 months alone. "The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. So much work. While photos/movies of kids and pets are cute to look at, the reality of leavening a pet that is depended on it's owner to care for it "in charge" of a child is a huge fail at parenting no matter what breed or species. Cats beware, that dog will drag it's owner across the street (small or weak people should not own powerful dogs) and attack any cat not fast or smart enough to escape. @ Cory"There's plenty of mention of it on the internet or you could go to the library and do some real research. If you always watch your pet carefully and ensure it isn't doing something bad or downright horrible, then you are a good owner... that does not mean your pet would not do those things if given a chance. don't be a communist, let people own what they want and if it injures or kills someone hold the owner responsible. As an parent and pet owner, I think the idea of any dog being a "Nanny Dog" in ridiculous. and @ craven lies you need to post my comment before this one. Cat owners know not to leave little fluffy in the same room as an unprotected bird and won't dispute you calling them dangerous to birds... why on earth would you dispute dogs are dangerous to things they are capable of killing??? Simply asserting that I failed to dispel the nanny dog myth with out providing proof to me means exactly nothing.Provide proof to me of your assertions or, yes, you are out. It was the Americans who gave it the pit name, so blame yourselves. I'm not the one trying to dispel a so called myth while admitting that my research was limited. Does that mean that those Pit Bulls pictured didn’t serve as nanny dogs in those individual households? One point already well known, the other an opinion. They are two different types of dogs. And in the UK there are many people who are breeding pit type dogs to BE human aggressive; there's an entire documentary about it. If they were known as nanny dogs in those times, there would be irrefutable evidence of the claim from that time period, but there is not. Don’t excuse potential recklessness by justifying that reckless with a false sense of security. Oh, and that picture you put up of the obviously abused dog is a joke, I can use google picture search, too. the petey blog will be along soon, you will see what i am talking about. (search & rescue, seeing eye dogs..etc) Surly you don't think those ones are evil to. "http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/Breeds/AmericanPitBullTerrierRevisedNovember12008Secondly, and I'm not saying this is relevant to every attack, almost all of the pit bull attacks in the United States were "pit-mixes" / "pit bull-type dog" or mislabeled by journalists and police officials.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Stateshttp://www.austinhumanesociety.org/sites/default/files/findtheAPBT.jpgI have been a part of a community that helped a woman's dog recover after getting a bullet to the face by police officials who entered her backyard to chase a criminal. SME - I think you're right about clicking on this blog. You may not find written evidence that it is a "nanny dog" but you can just see all the pictures for yourself from old time photos, and new photos alike.My first pet that was my OWN(instead of family pets) was a Pitbull, a dog that only an experienced dog owner should obtain. I'd recommend Digger to focus too. This is either a sign of a bad breeder or NOT a pure bred pitbull. So you decided not to post my previous comment..was it too factual for your liking or what? If they were savaging children, they'd be put down. Yeah, okay. But do you honestly think that's a valid excuse for the pit bull to kill and maim more than any other breed regardless of ow the dog is treated? It's an unfortunate incident. This comment continues to be rolled out by random anti-Pit Bull scaremongers as “proof” that Pit Bulls were never “nanny dogs.” They’ll then try to use this narrative to imply that Bad Rap has had a hiccup of dignity while the rest of us (millions of people) continue endangering all of America by allowing our “landsharks” to walk public streets as the innocent dogs that they actually are. Thing is, it isn't our responsibility to act in a manner your dog understands, it your responsibility to ensure your pet, that you are legally responsible for, does not harm another human being, for any reason short of defense of your home. "...it's perfectly plausible that a dog could be a pit fighter and still safe for children to be around. They died because somebody with a big ego and a small brain kept a dangerous animal around children. One could call them Holocaust Deniers. Now, a bite from a 20 pound dog is far less harmful than that of a 50 pound dog, so do you think the UPS man ever called animal control or the police or even reported it to his superior? If you arent closed minded then you should have no trouble finding it yourself since you seem so intent upon giving them a 'bad rap'. People who want the dog only because of that reputation. And to help you get there, here are some must read articles: http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/2009/12/is-400-million-pounds-of-dead-pit-bull.htmlhttp://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/2009/07/wanted-responsible-and-educated-dog.htmlhttp://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/2009/02/r-word-no-one-wants-to-talk-about.htmlOwning or breeding dogs isn't a right; it's a responsibility; and if you're a breeder as I presume then you've proven yourself to be a hater of the very breed you love. Dear cravendesires.Keep your insults for who may appreciate them; you are making a fool of yourself.You are defeating the point and that is obviously frustrating you: How many times have you listed the ENGLISH Staffordshire Bull Terrier, which is the Nanny Dog and a different breed from the American Stafford, which you obnoxiously keep on calling just Staffordshire Bull Terrier.And for your own sake, go back to school and learn respect and manners.I bet you won't publish this comment. 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